The following clip by Jay Ferris is from a conference Q&A, and is only about a minute long.  Press the play button to listen to the audio right now (or on your computer by right-clicking and downloading it).  Enjoy!

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Written Transcript

I’d just like to just add, maybe at risk of life and limb, one other thought to that.  I think it’s important to learn not only from the written word of God, but from the invisible things of God that have been built into the things that are created.  If we are going to transition from “church” to “Kingdom”, we need to be born. Another kind of birth needs to take place.  Jesus said we’ll neither see nor enter the Kingdom if we don’t experience this other kind of birth.  And the old creation tells me that if there’s going to be another kind of birth there’s got to be a pregnancy, and if there’s going to be a pregnancy there’s going to be an impregnation, and if there’s going to be an impregnation there needs to be a seed, and up until the time that Jesus died there was only one. That to me is so important because there is a difference between adoption and birth. Even the old creation knows that. Adoption is a legal matter but birth is a matter of life. So, I think this is something to take into consideration as we think about that, to make our understanding consistent with what life has revealed.

For more that expounds on the difference between adoption and birth, see the following posts:
Compatibility With God / A New Creation / Adoption & Birth

Also see Audio Gem #1