In my last post I asked a question: “What is God hoping for?” No answers so far in the comment box. (I really am looking for a conversation here, :-) )
Here are a few of many verses we could have chosen that help us find the answer:
“This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.” 1 John 4:9 NIV
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.“ John 1:1, 2 NIV
“For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.“ Romans 8:29 NIV
“The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” [Gen. 12:7; 13:15; 24:7] meaning one person, who is Christ.“ Galatians 3:16
Speaking of His own death, Jesus said: “Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.“ John 12:24 NIV
Any thoughts? :-)
My thoughts this morning go back to yesterday’s conversation and to hope… what was God hoping for? Allowing us to have free will, I believe His hope was that we would return to him; once we were free we would turn to him with love in our hearts.
Think how easy it would have been for Him, in the Garden of Eden, to have put the tree (of knowledge) OUTSIDE of the wall.
The Creator, as I understand it, subjected His own creation to frustration, because He was hoping for something that could not be done by “mere” creation. As I understand it, The Creator was after divine reproduction. That reproduction would be necessary to produce, many sons of God, Many brothers for His Son, and the glorious liberty of the children of God. Glorious liberty is the fruit of the salvation package, (“being saved by His life” Romans 5:10). With this new heart, we are able to do anything our heart’s desire. How FREE IS THAT?!?!?!!! :-) That is Gloriously FREE!!!!
In the image of that, he created the first Adam male and female.
I think I should also note that “male and female” was for image purposes and old creation reproduction only. Image is not yet reality. The reality that is only found in Christ is “neither… male nor female…”, Galatians 3:28.
By the end of the 6th day, the woman was still in Adam. The woman had not been removed yet. What is needed to understand this is not theology, but a basic understanding of the facts of life, “the birds and the bees.” Reproduction requires, a father, a mother, a seed – egg, and chemistry. The “Us” that said, “…let us make,” and subsequently subjected to frustration what He/Us said, That “Us” contained the Father, the Seed, and the Chemistry – “Trinity,” but there was not yet any woman – no human mother. (As I understand it, like the rest of the first Adam, she was only a created mother, not a “begotten” mother. Problem is, “created things shake,” Hebrews 12:27. Things begotten of Christ, The New Creation, don’t shake, John 8:35.
For The Creator to get what He was after, the woman had to be removed from the first Adam, and that removal subjected the whole creation to frustration. They were still in the garden after she was taken out, but they were now “less than” they had been at the end of the sixth day, when their unity was perfect, even intercellular, so to speak, (a union so perfect, so complete, that no words were necessary). Remember God called it all “very good” at the close of the sixth day. The perfect union would not have been vulnerable to the lie, but the frustration that comes from being “less than” is very vulnerable to the lie, and sure enough, they both “bought the lie,” (swallowed it) and were cast out of the garden.
Not to worry, Plan “A” was still good. It included the frustration, and in due time the woman would be put back into another Adam, even Christ, and there would be reproduction, divine reproduction, because He would also be put into her. The Seed required for that to happen would have to wait until Christ was cast into the ground to die, rise from the dead, deliver to the Father what The Father needed to keep His promise, and fulfill His hope, the hope that He had from the beginning. The reproduction began on the day of Pentecost, when a new generation, (one requiring the frustration of the old) would begin to reproduce. (Please be assured that I am not saying that everyone “born of women” prior to the availability of this Seed was or is hopelessly lost. While Jesus said that the greatest of the Old Testament saints was less than the least in The Kingdom of God, I do believe that there is room in the economy of God to fix that problem for people like John the Baptist, and Moses, and the others so well typified in Hebrews, Chapter Eleven.
Before moving on, I need to address what is quite possibly another widely held misunderstanding: the assumed loneliness of the first Adam prior to the removal of the woman. If she was in the first Adam before she was removed – taken out of the first Adam, then how lonely could he have been. In John 17 Jesus prayed that we would be one as he and the Father had been one before the world began. That also doesn’t sound very lonely to me. To break the essential oneness of the first Adam, so that one flesh now required interactive plumbing rather than intercellular intimacy, looks to me to be the defining moment of the frustration of the creation, rather than an improvement in the first Adam’s situation.
This suggests another look at the phrase: “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.” Perhaps it was not good from the vantage point of what God was hoping for, and not due to the first Adam’s loneliness… UNLESS… the loneliness was designed to reveal the heart of the Godhead. A case could be made that God was lonely before the foundation of the world, and wanted more than only one Son. That would be another matter. What troubles me here is the preoccupation with male/female plumbing as the highest expression of “one flesh.” (The cause of leaving and cleaving and one fleshing was the fact that in the beginning God had made them one – she was in the first Adam. That is also where we see her again in the last Adam. It may well have been that it “wasn’t good,” because God needed a woman for reproductive purposes, and that reproduction, ultimately His own, Isaiah 54:1, Galatians 4:26, 27.
Our Everlasting Father wants begotten children, not created ones. As I have come to understand Romans 8:20, this is what the Creator was hoping for in the frustration of His own creation. The result is that the whole creation is groaning waiting for the revelation of the glorious liberty of His begotten children. The righteousness of God tells me that for this to happen, God needed a woman, even a wife.
Thank you for engaging the conversation! :-)
P.S. I will also, for the convenience of others post this response as my next post.
We have Christ in us and the HOPE of glory! Where as God is GLORY! Do you really think He hopes? Jesus has His sheep, for He said my sheep hear my voice and He prayed to His Father that not one of then would be lost. DO you think God is hoping they will not be? The God who knew you in eternity pass knows where you are today and will be tomorrow. For He is the author and finisher of our faith and He will be FAITHFUL to complete the work He has started within each of us!
Repentance and REST is your salvation in quietness and TRUST is your strength!
Christ is the PEACE that passes ALL understanding. It is that that came down upon me in 1986 and the PEACE (In which I rest and trust) has not left since.
I praise God for the presence of His HOLY SPIRIT!!!
IS GOD HOPING???