This Leadership Business

Perhaps I might share some overall impressions.

Some years ago now, a brother in the Lord made a plea for us to “…overcompensate by not using the word “rule” which will lead many to misunderstand the term and thus interpret it as controlling. Instead we should use definitions such as “lead,” “guide,” ‘care for,” “watch over,” etc. that will keep us focused on serving God’s people.”

Many of us can appreciate this need to “overcompensate,” as coming from so much abuse of authority in what’s been calling itself “church.”

My brother had gone on to say,

“We all know these forms of bondage are practiced in various degrees of severity among us and that these issues have been discussed for several years now. Jay, you say ‘With the revelation from The Father of Christ and His cross, we can set the captives free, the gates of Hell don’t stand a chance against us. The sons of hell, the Satanic gate keepers have been completely disarmed.’ Suppose I am in one of these “churches,” how are you going to set me free? Where will I go if I leave the “church” I am currently in? I believe we need to go beyond speaking in generalities and start pointing to specific solutions. This is not an exercise in head knowledge but a real time crisis among God’s people. Many suffer in silence as we speak but what solutions can we offer?”

I responded:

“Certainly I can hear your pain, and the pain of all those who suffer at the hands of ‘the children of the slave woman.’ I would like to suggest another possibility than ‘overcompensation,’ however. Your following paragraph reminded me of something, which, I think is very important in this connection:

He had written:

“My main plea to you that begs for a response is please give me specific day to day examples of what authority over the ministry and authority over the church (God’s family) means. Does authority over the ministry mean controlling how a church service is to be run? Is the minister to control every aspect of the church service (who speaks when, who plays what instrument, what is taught, what is studied)? If authority over the ministry means any of those things then the family members are directly affected. Does ministerial authority extend beyond the ‘service’ or meeting and continue on when the building doors close? If not then what does authority over the ministry mean? Does it mean deciding where to travel to preach the word and who to bring with us? If so, does not every man who is led by the Spirit have the opportunity to have the Holy Ghost speak to him on these matters and not just ‘apostles’?”

My response:

“Our model, much like that of Luther, remains too religious, too ministerial, too institutional, too programmatic. The result of all of this is that our language has been destroyed. It has become too loaded. There is too much jargon, too much lingo, all of it loaded, all of it tending toward exclusivity and isolation. God The Father is more than willing to speak the language of those he is trying to reach. We, on the other hand, are inclined to speak the language of the already reached.

God The Father had already spoken through the law and the prophets, but more recently, He has said, in effect, ‘in other words, ‘Jesus.’ I would add that, God The Father still wants to say what He has already said, but in other words, and he wants the other words to be us – how we are and what we say. And the reason that He needs to say, ‘in other words,’ is because the words already used, have not yet reached those that God is trying to reach.

God has already spoken to them, about the invisible things of Himself, through the things created. That’s already enough to leave them without excuse but in His mercy God is willing to say it all again in other words through us.

In the old creation, He has revealed to the created things how he does life. Now in a new creation He is doing life once more, and we already know how He does life, and that is the model, not all of the religious edifices and structures that we have set up.

We know what elders are from life, and that is the way we ought to understand them for new life as well. We know how God nurtures life in the old creation, and that is the way life should be nurtured in the new creation as well.

But until we begin to live this out in relationships that Jesus has done, relationships that Jesus has revealed to us and is sustaining in us, we have very little to say, if anything, to a world which has long since lost track of how to get along with itself. In other words, I have no business trying to call God’s people out of Babylon, until I am manifestly living somewhere else. The People of God need an alternative place to live. I call that place, ‘relationships that come from God.’ They can be found from house to house, in the Spirit. God wants to nurture people in households, not in institutions. Healthy parents do not try to make retards out of their children for the sake of parental ego gratification. This is so clear as it has been worked out in the things created, that we truly are ‘without excuse,’ Romans 1:20.

For 1700 years, the church has been more a display case for the male ego, than it has been the revelation of the life of God’s Son. In an old creation place, God wants to superimpose only one new creation place, not two or more. Once we let go of that geographical constraint, all hell breaks loose, and that is what we have, and we have it in the name of the Lord. May I say, ‘This should not be.’

He responded:

“So, yes, the sheep of God’s pasture want to be one but not with the goats. It is unfortunate that the word ‘unity’ sends such warning bells in my mind but I believe ‘unity’ is an integral part of the great deception ‘that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

I continued:

“As for unity, there are, at least two kinds, one is Spiritual, and the other carnal. Let’s not throw out the spiritual because of the threat of the carnal. There is only one, “where I live.” That is true for everyone. Let’s not offer two or more alternatives, in the same place, that is a violation, not a manifestation of God’s heart. If you can separate the goats from the tares, you are doing well, but unfortunately the tares are left to grow in the same field as the wheat, at least until the time of the harvest.

My next-door neighbor may be an abusive parent and husband or wife, but that does not give me the right to have him thrown out of town. It is enough if I can live in, and model a redemptive alternative in my own house, without dictating how he or she behaves in his or hers. I am now speaking of spiritual households. A household is one thing, a “church” is quite another. Lets not get the two confused, and lets not allow the fact that the body has many parts to be an excuse to dismantle the Body and call the parts the whole.

Finally, when I speak of elders, I am not speaking of old creation years of age, but rather New Creation years of age and service. I believe that it was Paul’s concern for Timothy that people not look down on him because he was young in old creation years. The fact was that Timothy was mature in New Creation years, and in The Lord, that is what counts for something.”

Love!

  • By Jay Ferris, originally posted July 2012
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3 Responses to This Leadership Business

  1. I have to admire Jay’s approach with the brother – gentle – the truth is there and wrapped in love. Perhaps he learned that the 4×4 between the eyes method doesn’t work with his peers. My perspective is as one formerly RULED over who fled the church for that place outside the camp where Jesus is found. My inclination with former overlords and dictators is to be firmly blunt.

    Naturally, they’ve never received anything because they’re educated and in charge, whereas I’m a disgruntled rebel and a host of other disparaging labels because I don’t accept as gospel the BS they’re peddling. It’s absolutely maddening as often as I’ve run into it.

    A highly loaded question would be my approach:

    “You expect believers to obey you and pay you for religious services conducted in a man-made temple when the scripture says the sons are free (Matt 17:26), God does not live in your temple (Matt23:38, Acts7:48, 17:24), believers are temples (1Cor3:16, 6:19) and priests (1Pet2:4-8, Rev1:6), and they do not need a man to teach them (1Jn2:27) – all to hear your curated message about Jesus and your church when He told you “freely give”? That’s what you expect from believers?

    Like the quote you once shared with me Pam – “it’s practically impossible to make a man see something whose income depends on him not seeing it”.

    Karen observed something about her former church when she looked them up on FB. Not one person from several years ago is still there, except for the paid organ player. Not one. She confirmed my observation of many churches where I did concerts years ago – they’re effectively revolving doors – who don’t represent the community as much as they’re run down service stations on the highway of life who long ago ran out of gas. I remember once on a drive with Karen we passed a church with a sign board out front that said “feeling empty – stop in for a fill up”. We thought about it – but then imagined that would give the pastor a heart attack and decided the humane response was to drive on by.

  2. Oh Pam! This one has me triggering, big time! I had to separate the “brother in the Lord’s” comment from Jay’s response to get a sense of where the “brother” was coming from. All those trigger words he used – RULE, CONTROL, AUTHORITY OVER, SERVICE, AUTHORITY EXTEND BEYOND the church doors, leave the CHURCH as if it’s a building or place and a person doesn’t belong to the church unless they go to a man’s church on Sunday! This “brother” and Jay were not on the same page at all! Sorry, but the “brother” has me really ARGHHHHing over his understanding of church and leadership.

    What I’m most flummoxed by, is the suggestion that avoiding the word “rule” fixes everything without changing the entire paradigm and approach to church and ministry.

    • I have to admit, I hadn’t the time to thoroughly read this post before sending it. I’m glad it resonated with you! As far as what is “flummoxing” in the correspondence, I get it. One thing that might not be clear from the background, is some of these “leaders” which Jay communicated with were those who were not fully institutionalized, but still retained some of the clergy-mentality. The problem remains that both slaves, and leaders, can leave Egypt, but both attitudes can still carry outside Egypt. I don’t know if that’s the case with this particular individual in the post, but either way, even if Jay was beating a dead horse, those who watched then (and are still watching today by reading his words) have a great example of what it means to fight the good fight. And thank you for your other comment, too!

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