Compatibility With God

The problem with being a created child is that created children are incompatible with God. God is hoping for begotten children. This, it seems to me, is a big area of misunderstanding. It shouldn’t require a power point presentation to explain the difference between an adopted child, and a begotten one, (even a chimpanzee can be adopted). Yet these two are seen to be the same thing by most believers.

Here is how I have come to understand the difference as used in the New Testament record. Adoption has to do with a legal transaction. You just can’t go down the street walking off with other people’s children. That is illegal. The fact is, according to “the Law,” in our flesh, we are/were so incompatible with God, it would have been illegal for Him to adopt us. At the cross, God took care of the legalities, (Ephesians 2, and Colossians 2) making it possible to adopt us. Having done so, He poured the Spirit of His only begotten Son into our hearts so that we too would be begotten children, children compatible with the fellowship of  The “Godhead,” Galatians 4:1-7

What we need to get is the magnitude of our inheritance in Christ. It is enormous – wholly other!

Yes, I’m going someplace with all of this. I’m heading for the oneness that Jesus prayed and died for, John 17:21.


Originally posted February 23, 2011

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What Is God Hoping For?

Today’s new post by Jay Ferris is more lengthy, and might need a more careful read.  If you wish to print it,  or read it off-line, here is a link to the article in PDF format: What is God Hoping For


Hebrews 11:1 tells us that, Faith is the substance of things hoped for…”

Hope is the raw material without which faith has nothing to work with – to make substantial. Elsewhere we are told that this “… faith works by love…” :-) (It doesn’t work without love either.)

What I want to focus on here today is the matter of hope. What are you hoping for, or more importantly, what is God hoping for? Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all get on the same page as God where this matter of hope is concerned?  To do so, I would like to take a look at hope from the vantage point of Romans 8:20:

the-creation-of-eve“For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope…”

What is God hoping for? :-)

Why would The Creator frustrate His own creation? 

And having frustrated it in hope, what was He hoping for?

Romans is careful to tell us that neither the creation nor created things were responsible for the frustration, but the Creator Himself. 

When did this happen? What happened?  And Why?

Romans 8:24 asks the question, “Who hopes for what they already have?” 

To frustrate a creation, one must first have a creation, so the creation must have already been created at the time it was subjected to frustration. It must have been before “the fall.” The frustration was already in the garden before “the fall,” and was a contributing factor leading to “the fall.”

What was God hoping for, is another way to say, What was it He did not already have? Why did He neglect to create what He was hoping for? Was it an oversight on The Creator’s part? We think not. It could only be there must have been something The Creator could not create – something He was hoping for that frustration could facilitate.

The answer is at once simple and profound. Here are a few of many verses we could have chosen that help us find the answer:

“This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.” 1 John 4:9 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. John 1:1, 2 

“For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. Romans 8:29 

“The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” [Gen. 12:7; 13:15; 24:7] meaning one person, who is Christ. Galatians 3:16

Speaking of His own death, Jesus said: “Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. John 12:24 

As I understand it, The Creator subjected His own creation to frustration, because He was hoping for something that could not be done by “mere” creation – and that was divine reproduction. That reproduction would be necessary to produce, many sons of God, many brothers for His Son, and, the glorious liberty of the children of God. Glorious liberty is the fruit of the salvation package, (“being saved by His life” Romans 5:10). With this new heart, we are able to do anything our hearts desire. How FREE IS THAT?!?!?!!! :-) 

That is Gloriously FREE!!!!

Diving In Deeper

How Little We Know by Jay FerrisIn the image of what God was after in hope, he created the first Adam male and female.  I think I should also note that “male and female” was for image purposes and old creation reproduction only.  Image is not yet reality. The reality that is only found in Christ is “neither… male nor female…”, Galatians 3:28.

By the end of the 6th day, the woman was still in Adam. The woman had not been removed yet. What is needed to understand this, is not theology, but a basic understanding of the facts of life, i.e. “the birds and the bees.” Reproduction requires a father, a mother, a seed/egg, and chemistry. The “Us” that said, “…let us make,” and subsequently subjected to frustration what He/Us said, that “Us” contained the Father, the Seed, and the Chemistry (the “Trinity,”) but as of yet there was no woman – no human mother. (As I understand it, like the rest of the first Adam, she was only a created mother, not a “begotten” mother. Problem is, “created things shake,” Hebrews 12:27. Things begotten of Christ, The New Creation, don’t shake, John 8:35.

Now for The Creator to get what He was after, the woman had to be removed from the first Adam, and that removal subjected the whole creation to frustration. They were still in the garden after she was taken out, but they were now “less than” they had been at the end of the sixth day, when their unity was perfect, even intercellular, so to speak, (a union so perfect, so complete, that no words were necessary). Remember God called it all “very good” at the close of the sixth day. 

The perfect union would not have been vulnerable to the lie, but the frustration that comes from being “less than” is very vulnerable to the lie, and sure enough, they both “bought the lie,” (swallowed it) and were cast out of the garden.  “Less than” people make bad choices.  Romans 8 is talking to “more than” people, Romans 8:37.

Not to worry, Plan “A” was still good. It included the frustration, and in due time the woman would be put back into another Adam, even Christ, and there would be reproduction, divine reproduction, because He would also be put into her. The Seed required for that to happen would have to wait until Christ was cast into the ground to die, rise from the dead, deliver to the Father what the Father needed to keep His promise, and fulfill His hope, the hope that He had from the beginning. 

The reproduction began on the day of Pentecost, when a new generation, (one requiring the frustration of the old) would begin to reproduce. (Please be assured that I am not saying that everyone “born of women” prior to the availability of this Seed was or is hopelessly lost. While Jesus said that the greatest of the Old Testament saints was less than the least in The Kingdom of God, I do believe that there is room in the economy of God to fix that problem for people like John the Baptist, and Moses, and the others so well typified in Hebrews, Chapter Eleven.

And Even More Deeper!

Before wrapping this up, I need to address what is quite possibly another widely held misunderstanding: the assumed loneliness of the first Adam prior to the removal of the woman. If she was in the first Adam before she was removed – taken out of the first Adam, then how lonely could he have been?  In John 17 Jesus prayed that we would be one as he and the Father had been one before the world began. That also doesn’t sound very lonely to me. To break the essential oneness of the first Adam, so that one flesh now required interactive plumbing rather than intercellular intimacy, looks to me to be the defining moment of the frustration of the creation, rather than an improvement in the first Adam’s situation.

This suggests another look at the phrase: “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.”  Perhaps it was not good from the vantage point of what God was hoping for, and not due to the first Adam’s loneliness … UNLESS… the loneliness was designed to reveal the heart of the Godhead. A case could be made that God was lonely before the foundation of the world, and wanted more than only one Son. That would be another matter. What troubles me here is the preoccupation with male/female plumbing as the highest expression of “one flesh.” (The cause of leaving and cleaving and one fleshing was the fact that in the beginning God had made them one – she was in the first Adam. That is also where we see her again in the last Adam.)  Again, it may well have been that it “wasn’t good,” because God needed a woman for reproductive purposes, and that reproduction, ultimately His own, Isaiah 54:1, Galatians 4:26, 27.

The point I am arriving to is the Everlasting Father wants begotten children, not created ones. And as I have come to understand Romans 8:20, this is what the Creator was hoping for in the frustration of His own creation. The result is that the whole creation is groaning, waiting for the revelation of the glorious liberty of His begotten children. The righteousness of God tells me that for this to happen, God needed a woman, even a wife.

In short, God is hoping for an intimacy in an expanded Godhead that includes us!  And that makes leaving, cleaving, and one fleshing pale by comparison.

By Jay Ferris, originally posted February 20, 2011

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It’s In The Spirit!

In the wake of a conversation today I want to return to a couple of very big words: “Kingdom,” and “Church.”

The “Kingdom” of God is in The Spirit. It is not in the flesh. In fact The Kingdom of God is in the DNA of Jesus. It controls who we are and what we are to become. God is not counting on our flesh, God is counting on the DNA of His Son in us.

The word “church” has been so misunderstood and misrepresented it’s no wonder the world is in such confusion and the nations so offended. Our concern for the present here is not so much about the word “church,” but about Who is making the call. We who name the name of Christ have no business calling ourselves anything. We are first and last, lovers in training. We need to focus on that/Him, and let the world call us what it will.

What the world needs to see is the first fruit of the Spirit – Love. This is what Jesus prayed and died for, and this is Who Jesus is in true believers by His Spirit. All the rest is talk.

By Jay Ferris, originally published Feb. 17, 2011

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Getting It Right

“Getting it right” has to do with getting Him right.

What I hope to do here is to take a step back to a question that was asked of me about 10 years ago now. Here it is in context:

I had just arrived late for a leader’s gathering in Charlotte, NC. I couldn’t help but note a rather common, almost pleasant look on the faces of those already present – like a group of cats who had just shared a canary.  Before I could take my seat, the presiding leader asked, “Jay, what does the Church in this city look like?”  I hesitated a second or two and then responded,

It looks like the sum total of all of those who belong to Christ in this city, who know who are theirs in Him. Everything else is show business.

I share this by way of further introduction to what I would like to blog about here. The kind of intimacy that we are looking for is not likely to be found until we accept Jesus as Lord of relationship. We need to know and receive one another as from Him. What God calls church is not about “let’s make a deal” on a human level.

In a subsequent leader’s meeting, but still back in that same time frame, I shared that,

There are places in all of us where we have never been. We can’t get there alone because, if we did, it wouldn’t be the same place as it would be if somebody was there with us. The problem is that there is so much garbage between here and there, and we are afraid to go there, either alone or with someone else. We need to have place to put the garbage. That is a place that only Christ can provide, and has provided. ‘Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the ‘garbage’ of the world.’ He is not only our garbage man, but He wants to make garbage men out of us for the sake of those He has given us to love. We don’t have to take away the garbage of the whole world, but we are called to, and can, take away the garbage of those He has given us to love in Him.

Having said that, which I know sounds very nice in theory, I must quickly add that in my experience, it only happens in the intimacy that is possible when He is Lord of relationship. Unless we discover who we are in Him, and in relationship to others in Him, we dare not get that close.

Jesus wants to give you, and has, in fact, promised to give you significant others in Him. Keep your eyes open, because you never know when He is going to give you the gift of another person. Opening the package can easily take a life time. Oh yes, the package can only be opened in the presence of God’s kind of love, the kind He demonstrated, on the day He said, “I love you,” when He and His expectations were nailed to the tree.

We need this revelation if we are ever going to love like God.

  • By Jay Ferris, originally posted Feb 14, 2011
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Born in Woundedness

Wounded and Wounding
There are essentially two kinds of woundedness: human woundedness, and Divine woundedness. “The Mark of Cain” was placed on the first of the wounding. Cain was an older brother displaced by a younger one. Beginning with Hagar and Ishmael, Islam was born in woundedness, (rejection).  The perspective, understanding, and conversation of woundedness is easily detected by the discerning ear. Human wounding is the fruit of its own fallenness. Kingdoms born of human wounding make bad choices – choices that take us down rather than raise us up.

The Kingdom of God is born of Divine wounding. The difference is that The King was,

“… pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.” – Isaiah 53:5, 6

One more observation: All religion rooted in law rather than ‘loving like God’ is wounded and wounding. When Christianity “forgot the height from which it had fallen,” it too became wounded and wounding. Revelation 2:5

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The Truth in Love

“Loving like God” is another way of putting something Jesus said: “As I have loved you…”

Romans 5 is perhaps the clearest statement in the scripture as to just how he loved us. Elsewhere we are told, “This is how we know what love is, Jesus Christ laid down his life for us…”.  Romans 5 tells us under what circumstances He did that:

“You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.  Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die.  But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.  Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!  For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!” Verses 6-10 

Jesus Christ laid down His life for his enemies. That’s the measureless love of God. Before His death He made a statement about the greatest love known to man up to the point of His death.

“Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.”  John 15:13 

Viewed from the language of a patent examiner, that would be called “the state of the art.” That was “as good as it gets” before Jesus laid down His life.  Jesus redefined love at the cross. Anything short of this redefined love is unworkable, and unsatisfactory for building His Church.

-Reposted article, by Jay Ferris

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We Interrupt the Program to Bring You This Special Message! :)

Dear friends, family, and subscribers of Jay Ferris and his website, “Loving Like God”…

It has been awhile since anything has been posted here on the “Loving Like God” website.  But we are excited to announce that this is going to change!  Starting this Tuesday, and Lord willing, every Tuesday thereafter, a new post by Jay Ferris will be delivered to your inbox.

The plan is to re-post one of his blog articles, starting with the oldest to the newest, and occasionally intersperse them with unreleased materials and audios!

Although a prolific communicator for many years, Jay started his blog in 2011.  His very first post dated February 9th simply stated:

Welcome to the first day of new focus! The recurring messages over the past 30+ years have been:

  • God’s kind of love, (it’s good for enemies, Romans 5:10)
  • Relationships that come from God

In our experience, all else follows from these two.

Again, WELCOME!!

Short and succinct – Jay’s life was focused on living out these two foundational principles in relationship to those the Lord gave him.  It was also his hope to inspire others (through this blog and public speaking invitations) to believe the good news that unshakeable relationships are indeed possible when founded on God’s kind of love.

So in this same heart to inspire others, we welcome you to come on this special journey of spiritual refreshment, as we regularly go through Jay’s writings once again.

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